for him there and hopefully that some people who do like a little less aggressive foreign policy, who are fiscally conservative but want the government to be limited and really think that the debt's a problem, those have been the things that i have talked about. and i think that will attract some moderates and independents also to the ticket. >> when -- and i see it where what you just said, people are -- romney was interviewed by cnn, said about ohio, polls go up and polls go down, but when november 6th comes people are going to recognize we don't want a government that just keeps getting larger and larger and we want more, you know, business and the private sector to do better. and when he picked ryan, i thought, all right, it's a clear choice now, the country has a clear choice which way they want to go. but something got lost in the last -- you can just look at the polls where that didn't -- people are not looking at that at this point. they must be looking at something else because we do see president obama leading in most polls. what changed? what's different? >> well, it doesn'